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T O P I C R E V I E Wvenusdeindiai have long wondered about these two, i read in a site they have a Venus- Pluto conjunction along with other aspects, but it was dismissed as a lusty , shallow fling that broke both their marriages like the Brad- Angelina-Jennifer saga.i thought our synastry research encompassing asteroids along with Linda's markers should be applied. i was shocked here is their synastryMelanie Griffith9 Aug 195711:49 P.m.New york, U.S.A.Antonio Banderas10 Aug 19609:00 P.m.Maklage , Spainwhat Linda said about soulmates holds true for them, they met at a time when their lives were going through a crisis, their marriages were failing, Melanie was on the verge of Relapsing into Alcoholism and Drug addiction, due to her marriage troubles.the relationship turned their well settled lives upside down, but they r happily married today. these aspects make me think its a twin soul matchunder 1 degreehis Venus con her Plutohis Pluto con her Marshis Venus con her mars but they also haveher Moon opp his Sun ( that works like a conjuncton)his Moon opp her Jupiterhis Mars opp her Saturnhis Saturn trine her Venusher Saturn trine his Moonher Saturn conj his Junohis True Node conj her Venusas for asteroidsher Karma con his Moonhis Karma con her POF , and D.C. and opposed her Juno!!!his Valentine opposes her Valentine and Isishis Isis opp her Moonher Osiris sextile his Plutothose r all i have checked, maybe IQ and others might go into detaillalalindanice work venusdeindia Maire31I've always wondered about these two as well. They seem to be a strong couple, yet there's this negative vibe associated with them which seems unfortunate. I wonder why that is? Then I began reading the aspects you listed, we've got a few similar aspects: 1 degree (or less)his Venus conj my Plutohis Sun conj my Marshis Sun conj my Karmahis Merc conj my Marshis Merc conj my Karmahis Chiron conj my Amorhis Venus opp my Chironhis Karma opp my Saturnhis Moon opp my Nephis Plu squ my Moonhis Nep trine my Sunhis Nep trine my Karmahis NN trine my NNhis NN trine my Juphis Plu sex my Marshis Moon sex my Junoadditionally - under 3 degreeshis Saturn con my NNhis Venus conj my Aschis Venus conj my Junohis Sun/Merc opp my Vertexhis Pluto opp my Sun his Sun trine my Sunhis Merc trine my Merchis Nep trine my Marshis Sun/Merc trine my IC and PofFhis Moon sex my Chironall that being said, we have a really nice composite chart - Sun,Moon,Merc conjunction (<1 deg) in 7th house opp Venus conj the comp Asc and 5th house Chiron, Jup, Amor, Vertex trine/sex the 1st and 7th house planets! Kinda got that Rectangle thing goin' on in 1st,5th,7th,10th houses.Hmmm, I wonder what people think of us???? M31darkdreamer Venus,that is interesting, I had some other results.The exact aspects between Sun, Moon, Venus, Mars, Saturn, Pluto, True Node, AC, Valentine and Karma were:His Sun conjunct her SunHIs Moon trine her SaturnHIs Venus conjunct her MarsHIs True Node trine her ACI wasn`t sure if you also look at aspects of the above listed and other like other asteroids or Neptune (for example: do you count a Venus-Neptune-sextile?).But still there are 4 strong connections between main bodies; IQ said 3 - 5 are strong synastry, so I guess, those two could actually be soulmates.I didn`t see the other aspects you listed as close enough. The Venus-Pluto-conjunction is 2° (still very strong, but not exact).However, I then looked at the double whammies they have. I didn`t find all that much, but I don`t really know, how much double whammies (within 2°, and with conjunctions within 3,5° are average).I found 3 double whammies (including main bodies and asteroids)His Mercury conjunct her Isis (1°)His Isis square her Mercury (2°)I thought this one was interesting; even though Mercury is usually not that romantic or "lovey-dovey", in their case Mercury rules her 5th house and his 7th house, so I think it`s definitely relevant.Even more interesting, coincidentally I share this double whammy with that actor, I can`t stop talking about, too.His Mercury is conjunct my IsisMy Mercury is trine his IsisAnd like in Antonio`s and Melanie`s case MErcury rules relationship-houses, his 5th house and my 7th house. I thought that was kind of hilarious. But back to Antonio and Melanie; they have yet another double whammy with MercuryHis Mercury conjuncts her Nadir (0°)His Nadir squares her Mercury (2°)andHis Union square her Midheaven (1!)His MC square her Union (2°)Maybe they have some discussions about their careers. In the synastry there are quite a lot aspects with his MC, but only few with hers, so maybe this indicates that she has helped his career more than he has supported hers? The other exact aspects between their horoscopes are:His Moon trine her UranusHis Mercury sextle her JupiterHis Mercury square her NeptuneHis Jupiter square her PsycheHis Pluto conjunct her Eros (mmh, delicious )His Karma sextile her PsycheHis Eros square her ErosHIs Psyche square her ErosHis Union sextile her MarsHis Lust trine her SaturnHis Lust trine her UranusdarkdreamerAnd some other aspects, that look pretty relevant to me:His Moon conjunct her KarmaHis Venus conjunct her PlutoHis Node conjunct her Mercury and VenusHis Node sextile her NodeHis SN conjunct her UnionHis DC conjunct her ErosHis Karma opposite her JunoHis karma trine her VAlentineHis VAlentine opposite her JunoHis VAlentine trine her IsisHis Lust conjunct her KarmaAll those nodal connections could indicate a strong soulmate-contact, both, from the past, but also in the present.Her Union conjunct his SN could indicate that there was a relationship or at least a connection before; maybe they have met in a past life.And her Venus conjunct his True Node maybe indicates that they are meant to be lovers in this life. Also, the conjunction to Mercury emphasizes the importance of their communication again, and as I said before, her Mercury rules her 5th house, so the ruler of her 5th house conjuncts his Node. Maybe it`s his fate to have children with her. Or a very juicy affair. Maybe it would have stayed an affair without their children.But no, that would have been unlikely. Just look at the Karma-Valentine-Juno-interaction. His Karma is opposite her Juno: was she destined to become his wife? I`d say, yes, but maybe it wasn`t as easy as they would have thought (the opposition is an aspect of tension after all), but then again, you need that polar tension in a relationship to add some spice. And both of them need that spice, since they are truely passionate individuals.His Valentine opposite her Juno. Does that mean he would sacrifice his life for his wife? Is he that devoted to her? Or does it also mean that the way she behaves / is as his wife, is a source of great attraction, but also sometimes fraught with tension? Does her wife-being challenge his urge to love her completely and unconditionally?But his Karma also trines his Valentine, it seems that true love was in the cards, destiny dealt them. Is it his fate to be loved by her? I know, I ask more questions than answering them, but I guess IQ could interprete this better than me.HOwever, I didn`t even look too closely on all the Eros-aspects. It seems they have a really passionate and steamy relationship, and probably anything but boring in and outside the bedroom. This synastry should get a NC17-rating. But are they twinsouls?WEll, they have exact aspects, they have double whammies (even though not with the lovey-dovey planets and asteroids), they have aspects with Moon and AC (two of them are even exact). So I guess they would qualify as potential twinsouls, but I`m pretty sure, they are at least soulmates.DDvenusdeindiaDD, remember what IQ said about the M.C. ??it is the real eighth house, 20th century astrologers have swapped the 8 th and 10 th houses as also the 6th and 12 th.The M.C. is the career but also the depth of the individual, i 'd say if no plutonian aspects , M.c. Action is also good darkdreamerVenus,yes, I remember what IQ said about 8th hosue and MC. But I`m still collecting and comparing charts with the exchange of 8th and 10th house.I still can see some very deep experiences in the 8th house, but I also noticed that many, many couples have a lot of MC or 10th house action (But I think, IQ would see those as separated things, since he uses the equal system).But what do you think, does this exchange imply, that there is emotional depth and sexual attraction connected to placements in the 10th house?DDDiandra23Hi girlshave you already looked to their sinastry regarding Magi astrology? i dont know their b-days but maybe they can have pretty good kiron placements with each other.The Juno and Eros placements they have, regarding mAGI,ARE also quite good and explains why therīre so into each other. venusdeindiayes DD i think its deep......look at their pluto aspects, i also plan to look into their Dracos, didn't get time. but am working on it venusdeindiaok, did Draco, off the top of my head.....( exact aspects)her Dr. Pluto conj his Natal Karmaher Dr. Venus conj hus N. Chiron, conj. his Dr. sun, opp his Natal Plutohis Draco moon on her Vertexhis Natal Chiron conj, her Draco Venus opp her Dr. vertex, which falls on his Ascendent her Draco Sun on his Draco . vertexhis Draco. Venus opp her Natal. Valentinehis Draco . Venus opp her Natal. Valentinehis Draco . pluto opp her Natal .Venusthey have an exact Venus -Pluto double- whammy in the Natal- Draco action, not to mention the Vertex!!!!!!!the chance of Twin-soul has increased exponentiallyDiandra23VenusdeIndia,are there any established interaspec ts that diferenciates when a person is our twin , and when its a soulmate? - in the Dracos, as weleel in the natals?Thankx!Laraok i'm taking all the info here and seeing what l have LOL(for the 100th time)aspects are within 1degEROSsquare chiron (0)trine AC (1)conjunct venus (0)dr eros opposes N armor (0)VENUSDr venus opposes N venus (1)Dr venus conjunct N cupid (1)SUNtrine MC (0)conjunct AC (out of orb)trine Saturn (1)trine NN (0)dr sun trine N moon (1)dr sun opposes N NN (1)MOONtrine pt of fortune (1)dr moon opposes N venus (0)dr moon conjunct N cupid (0)dr moon trine dr vertex (0)dr moon opposes dr MC (1)NN Trine Saturn (1)N NN opposes dr part of fortune (1)Dr NN conjunct dr Saturn (0)Dr NN trine pt of fortune (1)VERTEXTrine karma (1)Trine Pluto (0)Dr vertex trine dr moon (0)Dr vertex trine dr venus (1)Dr vertex trine dr Chiron (0)ACTrine mercury (1)Trine valentine (1)Dr AC opposes dr Osiris (0)NEPTUNEConjunct AC (1)PLUTOTrine Saturn (1)Trine vertex (0)Dr Pluto opposes N NN (1)Dr Pluto opposes N venus (1)Dr Pluto sextile dr venus (0)Dr Pluto trine dr cupid (0)VALENTINEtrine jupiter (0)trine AC (1)trine pt of fortune (1)dr valentine trine N Aphrodite (1)dr valentine trine N Osiris (0)dr valentine trine N NN(0)dr valentine opposes N valentine (0)dr valentine trine dr venus (1)KARMAtrine vertex (1)dr karme trine dr Saturn (1)ISISopposes venus (1)conjunct Saturn (1)opposes NN (0)dr isis opposes dr venus (0)dr isis conjunct dr cupid (0)OSIRISConjunct juno (1)Trine Jupiter (1)Dr OsirisTrine dr Saturn (1)Trine dr NN (0)Trine dr pt of fortune (1)MCTrine sun (0)Trine mercury (1)MarsConjunct pt of fortune (0)Dr mars opposes N Osiris (0)Dr mars opposes dr venus (0)JunoDr juno square dr moon (0)Dr juno square dr karma (0)LaraDECLINATIONS (within 1deg) all geoDr sun/pluto parallel n SaturnDr moon contra-parallel dr valentine Dr moon contra-parallel n venusN moon parallel N MCDr venus parallel dr MCDr venus contra-parallel dr MCDr venus contra-parallel dr marsDr venus parallel dr MCDr mars contra-parallel n ICDr mars parallel n NNN mars contra-parallel N ACDr Saturn parallel n venusDr Pluto parallel dr junoDr Pluto contra-parallel dr valentineN Pluto contra-parallel N ACDr Chiron parallel n sunDr Chiron parallel dr ICDr valentine contra-parallel n valentineDr part of fortune parallel n venusDr juno parallel n ChironDr juno contra-parallel dr ICDr karma parallel n ACDr karma parallel n DCDr vertex parallel dr ACDr vertex parallel dr ACDr vertex parallel n PlutoN AC contra-parallel N MCDr IC contra-parallel n Chiron
i was shocked
here is their synastryMelanie Griffith9 Aug 195711:49 P.m.New york, U.S.A.Antonio Banderas10 Aug 19609:00 P.m.Maklage , Spain
what Linda said about soulmates holds true for them, they met at a time when their lives were going through a crisis, their marriages were failing, Melanie was on the verge of Relapsing into Alcoholism and Drug addiction, due to her marriage troubles.the relationship turned their well settled lives upside down, but they r happily married today.
these aspects make me think its a twin soul matchunder 1 degree
his Venus con her Plutohis Pluto con her Marshis Venus con her mars
but they also have
her Moon opp his Sun ( that works like a conjuncton)his Moon opp her Jupiterhis Mars opp her Saturnhis Saturn trine her Venusher Saturn trine his Moonher Saturn conj his Junohis True Node conj her Venus
as for asteroids
her Karma con his Moonhis Karma con her POF , and D.C. and opposed her Juno!!!his Valentine opposes her Valentine and Isishis Isis opp her Moonher Osiris sextile his Pluto
those r all i have checked, maybe IQ and others might go into detail
1 degree (or less)his Venus conj my Plutohis Sun conj my Marshis Sun conj my Karmahis Merc conj my Marshis Merc conj my Karmahis Chiron conj my Amorhis Venus opp my Chironhis Karma opp my Saturnhis Moon opp my Nephis Plu squ my Moonhis Nep trine my Sunhis Nep trine my Karmahis NN trine my NNhis NN trine my Juphis Plu sex my Marshis Moon sex my Juno
additionally - under 3 degreeshis Saturn con my NNhis Venus conj my Aschis Venus conj my Junohis Sun/Merc opp my Vertexhis Pluto opp my Sun his Sun trine my Sunhis Merc trine my Merchis Nep trine my Marshis Sun/Merc trine my IC and PofFhis Moon sex my Chiron
all that being said, we have a really nice composite chart - Sun,Moon,Merc conjunction (<1 deg) in 7th house opp Venus conj the comp Asc and 5th house Chiron, Jup, Amor, Vertex trine/sex the 1st and 7th house planets! Kinda got that Rectangle thing goin' on in 1st,5th,7th,10th houses.
Hmmm, I wonder what people think of us????
M31
that is interesting, I had some other results.
The exact aspects between Sun, Moon, Venus, Mars, Saturn, Pluto, True Node, AC, Valentine and Karma were:
His Sun conjunct her SunHIs Moon trine her SaturnHIs Venus conjunct her MarsHIs True Node trine her AC
I wasn`t sure if you also look at aspects of the above listed and other like other asteroids or Neptune (for example: do you count a Venus-Neptune-sextile?).But still there are 4 strong connections between main bodies; IQ said 3 - 5 are strong synastry, so I guess, those two could actually be soulmates.
I didn`t see the other aspects you listed as close enough. The Venus-Pluto-conjunction is 2° (still very strong, but not exact).
However, I then looked at the double whammies they have. I didn`t find all that much, but I don`t really know, how much double whammies (within 2°, and with conjunctions within 3,5° are average).I found 3 double whammies (including main bodies and asteroids)
His Mercury conjunct her Isis (1°)His Isis square her Mercury (2°)
I thought this one was interesting; even though Mercury is usually not that romantic or "lovey-dovey", in their case Mercury rules her 5th house and his 7th house, so I think it`s definitely relevant.Even more interesting, coincidentally I share this double whammy with that actor, I can`t stop talking about, too.
His Mercury is conjunct my IsisMy Mercury is trine his IsisAnd like in Antonio`s and Melanie`s case MErcury rules relationship-houses, his 5th house and my 7th house. I thought that was kind of hilarious.
But back to Antonio and Melanie; they have yet another double whammy with Mercury
His Mercury conjuncts her Nadir (0°)His Nadir squares her Mercury (2°)
and
His Union square her Midheaven (1!)His MC square her Union (2°)
Maybe they have some discussions about their careers. In the synastry there are quite a lot aspects with his MC, but only few with hers, so maybe this indicates that she has helped his career more than he has supported hers?
The other exact aspects between their horoscopes are:
His Moon trine her UranusHis Mercury sextle her JupiterHis Mercury square her NeptuneHis Jupiter square her PsycheHis Pluto conjunct her Eros (mmh, delicious )His Karma sextile her PsycheHis Eros square her ErosHIs Psyche square her ErosHis Union sextile her MarsHis Lust trine her SaturnHis Lust trine her Uranus
His Moon conjunct her KarmaHis Venus conjunct her PlutoHis Node conjunct her Mercury and VenusHis Node sextile her NodeHis SN conjunct her UnionHis DC conjunct her ErosHis Karma opposite her JunoHis karma trine her VAlentineHis VAlentine opposite her JunoHis VAlentine trine her IsisHis Lust conjunct her Karma
All those nodal connections could indicate a strong soulmate-contact, both, from the past, but also in the present.Her Union conjunct his SN could indicate that there was a relationship or at least a connection before; maybe they have met in a past life.And her Venus conjunct his True Node maybe indicates that they are meant to be lovers in this life. Also, the conjunction to Mercury emphasizes the importance of their communication again, and as I said before, her Mercury rules her 5th house, so the ruler of her 5th house conjuncts his Node. Maybe it`s his fate to have children with her. Or a very juicy affair. Maybe it would have stayed an affair without their children.
But no, that would have been unlikely. Just look at the Karma-Valentine-Juno-interaction. His Karma is opposite her Juno: was she destined to become his wife? I`d say, yes, but maybe it wasn`t as easy as they would have thought (the opposition is an aspect of tension after all), but then again, you need that polar tension in a relationship to add some spice. And both of them need that spice, since they are truely passionate individuals.His Valentine opposite her Juno. Does that mean he would sacrifice his life for his wife? Is he that devoted to her? Or does it also mean that the way she behaves / is as his wife, is a source of great attraction, but also sometimes fraught with tension? Does her wife-being challenge his urge to love her completely and unconditionally?But his Karma also trines his Valentine, it seems that true love was in the cards, destiny dealt them. Is it his fate to be loved by her?
I know, I ask more questions than answering them, but I guess IQ could interprete this better than me.HOwever, I didn`t even look too closely on all the Eros-aspects. It seems they have a really passionate and steamy relationship, and probably anything but boring in and outside the bedroom. This synastry should get a NC17-rating.
But are they twinsouls?WEll, they have exact aspects, they have double whammies (even though not with the lovey-dovey planets and asteroids), they have aspects with Moon and AC (two of them are even exact). So I guess they would qualify as potential twinsouls, but I`m pretty sure, they are at least soulmates.
DD
yes, I remember what IQ said about 8th hosue and MC. But I`m still collecting and comparing charts with the exchange of 8th and 10th house.I still can see some very deep experiences in the 8th house, but I also noticed that many, many couples have a lot of MC or 10th house action (But I think, IQ would see those as separated things, since he uses the equal system).
But what do you think, does this exchange imply, that there is emotional depth and sexual attraction connected to placements in the 10th house?
have you already looked to their sinastry regarding Magi astrology? i dont know their b-days but maybe they can have pretty good kiron placements with each other.The Juno and Eros placements they have, regarding mAGI,ARE also quite good and explains why therīre so into each other.
her Draco Sun on his Draco . vertexhis Draco. Venus opp her Natal. Valentine
his Draco . Venus opp her Natal. Valentinehis Draco . pluto opp her Natal .Venus
they have an exact Venus -Pluto double- whammy in the Natal- Draco action, not to mention the Vertex!!!!!!!the chance of Twin-soul has increased exponentially
are there any established interaspec ts that diferenciates when a person is our twin , and when its a soulmate? - in the Dracos, as weleel in the natals?
Thankx!
aspects are within 1deg
EROSsquare chiron (0)trine AC (1)conjunct venus (0)dr eros opposes N armor (0)
VENUSDr venus opposes N venus (1)Dr venus conjunct N cupid (1)
SUNtrine MC (0)conjunct AC (out of orb)trine Saturn (1)trine NN (0)dr sun trine N moon (1)dr sun opposes N NN (1)
MOONtrine pt of fortune (1)dr moon opposes N venus (0)dr moon conjunct N cupid (0)dr moon trine dr vertex (0)dr moon opposes dr MC (1)
NN Trine Saturn (1)N NN opposes dr part of fortune (1)Dr NN conjunct dr Saturn (0)Dr NN trine pt of fortune (1)
VERTEXTrine karma (1)Trine Pluto (0)Dr vertex trine dr moon (0)Dr vertex trine dr venus (1)Dr vertex trine dr Chiron (0)
ACTrine mercury (1)Trine valentine (1)Dr AC opposes dr Osiris (0)
NEPTUNEConjunct AC (1)
PLUTOTrine Saturn (1)Trine vertex (0)Dr Pluto opposes N NN (1)Dr Pluto opposes N venus (1)Dr Pluto sextile dr venus (0)Dr Pluto trine dr cupid (0)
VALENTINEtrine jupiter (0)trine AC (1)trine pt of fortune (1)dr valentine trine N Aphrodite (1)dr valentine trine N Osiris (0)dr valentine trine N NN(0)dr valentine opposes N valentine (0)dr valentine trine dr venus (1)
KARMAtrine vertex (1)dr karme trine dr Saturn (1)
ISISopposes venus (1)conjunct Saturn (1)opposes NN (0)dr isis opposes dr venus (0)dr isis conjunct dr cupid (0)
OSIRISConjunct juno (1)Trine Jupiter (1)
Dr OsirisTrine dr Saturn (1)Trine dr NN (0)Trine dr pt of fortune (1)
MCTrine sun (0)Trine mercury (1)
MarsConjunct pt of fortune (0)Dr mars opposes N Osiris (0)Dr mars opposes dr venus (0)
JunoDr juno square dr moon (0)Dr juno square dr karma (0)
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